A teacher's perspective on school budget cuts

It is with great sadness that I write about the State of Affairs in Pinellas County Schools. It is not new for the Florida Legislature and the Pinellas County School Board to fail teachers, staff and students financially -- by making cuts that negatively impact education and student achievement. But now they have adopted the perfect catch phrases to legitimately hide behind (ie. “these are hard economic times”, “times are tough financially”, “we just don’t have the money”, “you should be glad your job wasn’t cut”), while making unconscionable compromises that butcher programs and student opportunities.

Programs have been developed by the most devoted teachers, who return each year because they know they can make a difference in the lives of students. Teachers bring excitement, relevance and rigor to the classroom. Teachers encourage students to be curious, seek knowledge and become life-long learners. Teachers directly impact our children, but they aren’t involved in the decision making processes and don’t have a voice. Unwittingly (in the name of the current financial crisis), bureaucrats (legislators, school board members and others) are making financial decisions that are finally squandering this most precious resource of all -- our teachers. Teachers are becoming seriously disillusioned, discouraged and despondent.

Now envision how a disillusioned, discouraged, despondent teacher will impact your child over the next five years. You should be concerned. You should be alarmed. You need to get involved now! If you don’t understand how the current cuts are impacting your children, call your school. Ask where the budget has been cut and how it will affect the programs and opportunities for your children. Then, call your legislators and explain how the reduced funding is negatively impacting your school and your children’s opportunities. Because even in the face of an economic crisis, we can not allow bureaucrats’ arbitrary decisions to destroy the educational opportunities of our children. Not now. Not ever.

Melanie Sekora, Tampa

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NO ONE EVER SPECIFIES WHERE EXTRA MONEY IS NEEDED

THIS POST WAS PREPARED AT A 3RD WORLD SWEATSHOP BY NON-UNION CHILD LABOR. 

Everyone whines about how education is starved for money, and no one ever specifies where extra money is needed.

If you take the entire pool of money the state pays for education and divide it by the number of students enrolled in public schools, you'll discover that we spend a huge amount of money per child.

About half of the money is spent on the classroom per se. I include salary/benefits, textbooks, utilities, facilities, support staff, buses, etc. I dont include administration at all levels. I used $75,000 as my estimate of average teacher pay with benefits.

About half of the money goes for all the superintendants, guidance counselors, principals, school board members, etc. Its a huge amount of money for a relatively small group of people.

Schools are overrun with parasites who suck up about half the money.  

Mayor of Moronia = Fascist = Hitler Lover

Mayor of Moronia = Fascist = Hitler Lover who said, "Fascism is good for you."

Why give any credibility to anything this thing masquerading as a human says?

ALLAN IGNORES THE QUESTION.

THIS POST WAS PREPARED AT A 3RD WORLD SWEATSHOP BY NON-UNION CHILD LABOR. 

Allan ignores the question because he has no idea what schools need more money for.

MAYOR OF MORONIA = FASCIST = HITLER-LOVER

Mayor of Moronia = Fascist = Hitler Lover who said, "Fascism is good for you."

Why give any credibility to anything this thing masquerading as a human says?

I have to chose one?

Are my only choices Fascism or Socialism?

Taxman, There are certain truths that can not be---

Taxman, there are certain truths that can not be
disputed. No one really ever takes or is really
interested in any advice. Mayor has never
converted anyone to fascism. Allan has never
converted anyone to socialism, and that old
bastard, Capt. Al, has never converted anyone
to becoming a Democrat. The only thing I am
certain of is that someone, somewhere possibly
laughed at a line in one of my many, many posts.
God bless.

Dear Taxman:

Dear Taxman:

On education and taxes, fascism and socialism:

First off, the reason you pay high taxes is because the rich and the super-rich in this country are subsidized, virtually free of charge, by no matter whichever political party, Republican or Democrat, gets into power.  The right-wingers in both parties blame unions, welfare recipients, minorities, immigrants, social programs -- everything but where the blame really lies.  And the blame really lies in a tax system that is rigged against the great majority of working people, and in favor of a very small handful of fabulously wealthy people who have more money than you or I or most of us could imagine in 10 lifetimes.

Second, where the money of the rich and the super-rich comes from is not from "hard work," not from "abstinence," not from "savings," not from "starting at the bottom and working their way up," as all the lying myths and superstitions about how the super-rich got rich tell you.  That's all nonsense.  The rich and the super-rich got rich -- primarily -- from inheritance.  That is, they inherited from previously owned wealth previously owned by others in their family.  Bill Gates, for instance, did not start out poor.  His father was a very wealthy real estate capitalist.  He's just one example of  this rule.  And inheritance does not equal work or production.  Work or production are human actions, human activities.  And millions and billions of humans worldwide and here in America work very hard and produce a lot, but never get rich.

Third, public education is not the primary beneficiary of taxes.  The primary beneficiary of taxes is, hidden subsidies to the owners of banks, corporations, industries -- that is, hidden subsidies to the rich and the super-rich.  Another key beneficiary of your tax dollars is, the enormous tax exemptions which big mega-churches get under the First Amendment's separation of church and state, which enable these huge televangelist-ruled mega-churches to take in billions in wealth each year and pay no taxes.  Guess who picks up the difference?  You and I do.

Fourth, when I said the tax system was rigged, I meant that.  Take the years from about 1950 to now, or from about 1950 to about 2003 or 2004.  A television news program on business on WEDU here in the Tampa Bay area which interviewed the fellow who authored the book, Perfectly Legal, interviewed him saying that in 1950, if you earned ten million dollars or more, you paid at least 30 cents of every dollar earned in taxes, and if you earned only 14 thousand per year, you paid only about 10 cents to 14 cents per each dollar earned.  But what has happened in the years since 1950 is this:  a huge transfer of wealth from the working and lower middle and poor classes to the super-rich.  Today, if you earn over ten million dollars, you pay in taxes per dollar what the person who earned in 1950 who earned about $14 thousand paid -- namely, a little more than the 1950 amount of the person who earned $14 thousand, about 15 cents to 17 cents per dollar in each dollar earned.  But today if you earn, say, the rough equivalent in today's dollar terms of the $14 thousand per year of 1950 -- say $17 or $18 thousand per year -- you pay something like 30 cents per dollar earned.  In other words, the transfer of wealth from the masses to the rich and super-rich in the period from 1950 to now means, you pay per dollar earned much less than the owners of those banks, those financial institutions, those big corporations, who got the U.S. into the terrible financial and economic crisis into which the U.S. has been put today.  They pay less per dollar earned in taxes than you do.

How did  this happen?

Well, basically, this is where we have to address this issue of socialism versus capitalism.

And this is where you have to get rid of some of the lies with which you've been indoctrinated and brainwashed by those who hate what they call "communism," "socialism," "Marxism."  You have to open your mind to some ideas nobody's ever told you about before.

First off, capitalism is a system that develops.  How does it develop?  It develops over time in a way in which labor, the human element, tends to decline in proportion to the nonhuman element of production (machinery, buildings, etc.).  Over time, as capitalism develops, tools (the nonhuman element) get a hell of a lot more complex and sophisticated.  And they, over time, tend to eliminate over time a lot of the human or labor element.

Second, but this leads to a problem for the entire capitalist system, as well as for individual capitalist enterprises.  The problem to which it leads is this:  all value -- all wealth or equity -- has its source in the human element.  Everybody who has ever studied economics knows this.  And it was not the communist, Karl Marx, who invented this notion.  This notion that all value or equity came from the human or labor element originated much earlier than Marx, with, in fact, important capitalistic economic thinkers, specifically Adam Smith in 1776, and then David Ricardo in 1817 and again in 1820.  Marx only inherited their view on that issue.

Third, but if machinery and buildings tend over time to displace the labor element, and if the labor element is the source of value or equity (of wealth, or at least wealth of concern to human beings, social wealth), then that means that, over time, as labor is lessened as a portion of the production process, the equity value or exchange value of all that is produced also is lessened.  This again goes back to the old labor theory of value -- that human effort is the source of wealth production.

Fourth:  there's real wealth, and there's fake wealth.  Fake wealth is "funny money."  It's basically speculative wealth, fictitious wealth, wealth that has not "happened" yet.  Basically, all capitalism is like a big casino.  It's a bet.  It's a bet that if we just invest here, and here, and here, then profit will come back sooner or later to us.

Fifth:  but that bet doesn't always work out that way.  The reason it doesn't always work out that way has a lot to do with, for instance, the fact human beings tend over time to be displaced by the non-human element.  It's not the only reason, but part of the problem with capitalism is, humans get displaced by machines.  And that leads to fewer humans having money -- dollars, other currencies -- to buy stuff with.  And if we don't have money to buy stuff with, stuff doesn't get bought.  And if stuff doesn't get bought, companies that produced it either go under or cut back, and then, there's recessions and depressions.

Sixth:  that, however, has a lot to do with the fact capitalism is based on betting, like casinos.  The entire system is based on speculation, ultimately.  It's ultimately all based on betting.  Saying it is based on betting is another way of saying it is non-planned or un-planned production.  That is, each individual capitalist enterprise competes with other capitalist enterprises and bets and bets and bets, and eventually bets up or antes up too much till the entire thing collapses.  It's like people around a poker table anteing up and betting up and up and up till there's a huge pot on the table, but eventually what happens is, only one person goes away with all the winnings.  That's basically how capitalism works.  The bigger capitalists gobble up the smaller, until the entire economic system is centralized in a few hands, and then, that's still not enough, and they ante up, and then there's more of the same.  It never ends.

Seventh:  But it's all unplanned.  That is, the planning is only done within each enterprise.  Beyond each enterprise, however, there's no planning, and so, there is no way of knowing what the market will bear.  Capitalists bet and bet and bet, and then, suddenly, it all collapses, because the market has become super-saturated with an overproduction of goods and services.  The entire system throughout the history of the entire system is punctuated by these "booms" and "busts."  Capitalism is a boom-bust cycle.  And no communist and no socialist invented that.  Capitalism itself invented that situation itself over time.

Eighth:  But to get around this, the big capitalists need a big government to follow them, oversee them, regulate them, insure the competition doesn't get too bloody and too unstable, lest it bring the entire system down in a heap.  The government's centralization, and the rise in taxes that went with it, followed the rise in the centralization of capital into fewer and fewer and fewer hands of richer and richer and richer people.  It did not start out with big government.  Rather, the economic system centralized first, and then, government centralization followed.  That's the history of capitalism and the capitalist governments in all capitalist countries, especially here in America, the most capitalist country on earth.

Ninth:  That is why your taxes have gone up, and why taxes go up and have progressively gone up from the time of the founding of the Internal Revenue Service and the income tax system in, as I recall, either 1914 or 1916 in this country.  With centralization of the economic system came government centralization to follow it, because the government is the executive committee regulating the common affairs of the most powerful capitalist owners -- the owners of the biggest corporations and biggest banks.  When Marx, the communist, used the phrase, ruling class, or bourgeoisie, it was this class, the owners of the biggest banks and corporations, to whom he was referring.  And when he referred to the executive committee of the ruling class, he meant the governments of capitalist countries, and especially their main central political elements.

Tenth:  the government is not neutral.  At its core is the institution called, the state.  What is the state?  The state is the armed men plus prisons that defends the existing set-up in which capital (the capitalist owners of the big corporations and big banks) exploit (extract profit from) another class, labor, or the working class.  The state is basically the cops, security guards, and prisons.  And it is not neutral.  It gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger as capitalism gets more and more and more centralized into fewer and fewer and fewer hands over historical time.  And most of your tax dollars go to support the cops, federal cops, state cops, local cops, the prisons, and also the military -- army, navy, air force, national guard -- who are also there to defend the capitalist ruling class's class rule over the working class and over other classes from whom the capitalist ruling class extract profits -- suck profits, in other words.

And, of course, one of the people the big rich extract profits from -- either directly, through your laboring for them and producing by your labor a portion of your labor for which you do not get paid, which is the source of their profits, or indirectly through subsidies to the ruling class in the form of your taxes and through other kinds of subsidies to them -- is you.  Another person from whom they extract or suck profits is me.  The majority of us are people from whom the ruling bourgeois capitalist owning class extract profits.  We are, in our majority, people who own, really, nothing but our ability to work, our labor power.  That is, when you come right down to it, all you and I and the majority of us have to sell on the capitalistic market to the capitalist employers.  That ability to work or labor power we sell.  Sometimes the bosses are buying.  But in other times, as now, in recessions and depressions, they're not buying.  And so, we in our majority are screwed.

What enables the capitalists to be in the position of buyers of our labor power?

Well, they own the means of production.

We don't.

They do.

If the means of production were cooperatively and collectively owned, rather than privately owned, then production could be planned ahead, so there would be no more boom-bust cycles, no more depressions and no more recessions, and so the proper amount of labor could be put with the proper amount of tasks.

That is what a socialist economy is about.  It's ending the non-planned or unplanned nature of capitalism and replacing it with socialist planning.

Does that mean Stalinism or totalitarianism?

No.

In fact, in countries like America, where we would not be starting out from scratch with little (as, for instance, the Russians started out from scratch in 1917, with little), we would have immeasurably more advantages, and we would have so much wealth and technology to start out with that it would not take long for a socialist economy in this country to turn this country into an industrial and manufacturing and production powerhouse once again, with highly technically skilled and highly paid jobs at very high wages and no taxes at all, because, you see, a socialist economy would be based on production, not on these funny-money financial instruments that produce nothing, but on real production of real goods and real services.

The problem capitalism is now in is, funny money -- speculation -- has gotten so out of hand that it has destroyed the system.  There's no production to speak of left.  We have the skills, the machinery, the science, to turn all that around.  But they are all in the hands of a handful of wealthy people.

If we all took that wealth which we produced out of the hands of that tiny minority of parasites and took it over and cooperatively owned and ran it and democratically administered it through our own elected councils of elected delegates of working people, we could turn this country into a heaven on earth, and not long thereafter, most of the rest of the planet would, I'm sure, follow us as the great example for working people everywhere to follow.

And we wouldn't even need taxes.  We would expropriate all these banks, corporations, industries, put them under a socialist plan, administer that through elected councils of working people, use computers and the fabulous technology we have to enable and facilitate that administration in a really efficient way, plan everything ahead, and make things marvelous.

We could eliminate all taxes on consumption, all taxes on booze, cigarettes, beer, food, clothing, shelter, make housing for everybody, make full employment by shortening the work week at no loss in pay while raising the minimum wage to something like a livable standard of, say, $75 dollar per hour for everyone, and really pour money into public education for everyone bar none.

Why?  Because production would be the basis of everything, as it ought to be.  Right now, production in this country is down to about 12 percent of the American economy.  But with a socialist economy, we could turn that round in a series of 5-year socialist plans over a period of 5 or 10 or 15 years.  We have the objective capacity.  What stands in the way is, capitalism.

Anyway, you're being robbed not because we're "too socialist," but because we have no socialism in this country.

Indeed, this country today is closer in a capitalist sense to a kind of corporate fascism than it's ever been.  And there are some people, like Mayor of Moronia, or some others, who want to turn the economic corporate fascism into a more political, racist, Hitler-like, totalitarian type of fascism with slave labor camps, death camps, that sort of thing.

That's, in any case, my "take" on things.

If you feel like getting back to me on this, do so, and we'll talk further.

Best,

Allan

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call your legislators and explain how the reduced funding is negatively
impacting your school and your children’s opportunities. Because even
in the face of an economic crisis, we can not allow bureaucrats’
arbitrary decisions to destroy the educational opportunities of our
children.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In school institution,

In school institution, teachers are very important. Of course without them, who are going to teach the students? They are the one who encourage students to seek and obtain knowledge. Furthermore, they persuade student to enhanced their skills, their creativity. Creativity is one of the defining traits of humanity. It's important for a person to stoke their creativity and harness it to useful ends.  Every now and again you need to recharge a little bit.  You could try meditation or go to the park with the dogs.  Perhaps you could look into other ways to make money for a little extra folding cash, whenever financial trouble comes up.  (Hey, make more money if you don't make enough – a novel concept.) 

CANT DO ANYTHING 7 AMERICA NEEDS DAYCARE

THIS POST WAS PREPARED AT A 3RD WORLD SWEATSHOP BY NON-UNION CHILD LABOR. 

Most people teach because they have no saleable skills or talent. Virtually anyone can enroll in a teachers college because the admission standards are about the lowest there are for any discipline. Teaching is glorified daycare.  

And parenting?

Parents are teachers.  Parenting takes "no saleable skills or talent"?

You are so full of it you can't see out your eyes.

Kay

Mayor

I'll let my teacher-wife know that she teaches because she has "no saleable skills or talents..........."

Taxman, I have had 3 wives. If you tell your wife she has-----

Taxman, I have had 3 wives. If you tell your wife she has no saleable skills or talent, you will sleep on the couch until Labor Day, and, possibly, until Columbus Day. One of my daughters was a tenured teacher in a stage of her life in Md. I wrote a column for a N. J. paper and in it stated, "All incompetent teaches should be fired. One of my daughters is a teacher. Should she be fired? She absolutely should be fired if she is indeed incompetent". I mailed her a copy of my column. She wrote back, "I am proud to be the daughter of the only father in America who recommends that his daughter, possibly, should be fired. If you wrote otherwise, you would not be the father I know, love and respect. You sure in hell are truthful. Are you a competent columnist? If not, YOU SHOULD BE FIRED! God bless." Like father, like daughter. God bless.

Making Public Education a Scapegoat for Rotting Capitalism

What's happening here is, public education is being made a scapegoat for rotting, decaying, decadent, putrefying, stinking capitalism.

The government is saving capitalism while telling millions of workers and employees, "Drop dead."

Teachers are part of the millions of workers and employees being told, "Drop dead."

For decades and decades, government subsidies in the form of "no child left behind" and other fraudulent programs supplied money to private schools and religious schools, while starving the public educational system.

Just as in the case of the auto industry, in which the government is now overseeing its re-structuring on the backs of thousands upon thousands of automobile workers and former automobile workers whose pensions are going up in smoke, so in the case of public education, "restructuring" against public education continues for the rich and against public education on the backs of public education teachers.

This is nothing new.  Capitalism is literally rotting on its feet.  To save it, a bipartisan capitalistic government is destroying the working people of America.

That's why public school teachers are being told, "Drop dead."

Nothing stands in the way of capitalist profits where a capitalist government -- a capitalist state -- is concerned.

What's objectively needed is, class war, by a united, enraged working class against this whole rotten fraud, to smash this fraud to smithereens, and put the workers of this country, black, brown, yellow, red, white, in charge of the country, expropriate without compensation the capitalists, and make a proletarian or workers' state of elected workers' councils.

Nothing less than that will do if public education is to be saved.

And instead of condoning and coddling this crap, teachers must be part of the militant class war of the workers of this country against this rotten scapegoating of public education so that the private education of capitalists and the rich, and the private profits of the capitalist ruling class, can be saved.

Workers, employees, teachers:  WAKE UP!

SMASH THIS FRAUD!

WORKERS OF AMERICA, WORKERS OF THE WORLD:  UNITE!

THE CAPITALIST BOSSES, WITH THE BIPARTISAN HELP OF THE DEMOPUBLICAN-REPUBLICRAT GOVERNMENT, IS LITERALLY TAKING EVERYTHING FROM YOU.

BUT YOU BUILT IT.

IT'S YOURS.

SO, TAKE IT, LOCK, STOCK, AND BARREL!

FOR UNITED LABOR ACTION!

WORKING PEOPLE, UNITE, AND SMASH CAPITALISM, AND SAVE THE ONLY PRODUCTIVE AND CREATIVE CLASS OF THIS COUNTRY, LABOR, THE WORKING CLASS!

--Allan

DIFFERENT ISSUE: SAVE TROY DAVIS, AN INNOCENT MAN.

HERE'S THE LINK ON IT'S YOUR TIMES CONCERNED WITH THIS MATTER:

http://itsyourtimes.com/?q=node/4448

Too bad we can't fire bad parents

too bad we can't fire the tons of crappy parents out there that have no clue what the child is doing in school.  I teach and if I had a dollar for every parent that didn't return phone calls, call the school to set up a conference (even though I have put it on every report card and progress report that went home),didn't buy their kid school supplies (but could afford the cell phone and ipod. or didn't know when report cards go home (even though we are nearing winter break) I wouldn't need a salary increase.

Lillapoyak, Welcome to our Forum. I agree that parents

Lillapoyak, welcome to our forum. I agree that parents are not as good as they used to be. I agree that politicians are not as good as they used to be. Writers, actors, policemen,etc. are not as good as they used to be. Do we agree so far? Fine. Teachers are not as good as they used to be. Do we still agree? I did not think so. The truth is husbands, wives, children etc. AND TEACHERS are not as good as they used to be and, frankly, we are going to get much worse before we, if ever, get better. God bless.

teacher look to pension and past students

If a business has fewer customers, it must cut back.  The Pinellas school district has fewer and fewer students each year, but irrational teachers see no link between fewer students and less tax revenue. I was a substitute teacher in schools south of Ulmerton. I found most teachers to be burnt out, waiting for either the lunch break, the summer break, or their pension.  There are plenty of young student teachers, freshly taught with the newest eductional theories and not burnt out.  These young teachers will require less revenue and could provide a better teaching product. No business these days offers tenure.  Tenure and unions have killed public schools.  But the trend of fewer students and less revenue will some day force districts to confront and end both unions and tenure.

Smallcap 2000, I loved your post. Welcome to our forum.

Smallcap 2000, I loved your post. Welcome to our forum. I look forward to seeing more of your post. There are many posters in this forum who are much better writers than I. I really am not a writer. I am a story teller. I am, arguably, the most honest and truthful story teller this forum ever had. One of our posters recently wrote a sarcastic post about my writing about tigers in India. Well, the story is truthful, honest and labeled me as being a coward, which, frankly, I am when it comes to tigers. I wrote that when I served in the U. S. Army in India and Burma in World War Ii, an Indian mayor of a small town on the India-Burma border wrote a letter and mailed copies ot the letter to commanders of about 200,000 American and British troops asking for a volunteer to kill a man- eating tiger that had killed over 300 Indians on a small trail leading to his village. The trail was surrounded by tall grass and the volunteer would have one shot at a leaping tiger and if he missed, he would be killed by the tiger. Well, I was one of the 200,000 "cowards" WHO DID NOT VOLUNTEER. A British Major, an excellent marksman, volunteered. He had only one shot. He KILLED THE TIGER. He was written up in the Reader's Digest in l947. I hope you liked this story. I love it and, frankly, I really do not give a fiddler's frown if some people do not like my honest, truthful stories. I hope you are one of those readers and posters who do like my stories. God bless.

Product of the Pinellas Schools

I grew up in Florida and spent most of my school years in private schools.  I decided for my junior and senior year I'd prefer to attend a public school.  I saw immediately why I stayed in private schools. 

Melanie Sekora says "Teachers bring excitement, relevance and rigor to the classroom. Teachers encourage students to be curious, seek knowledge and become life-long learners." 

What I found at public schools were teachers who sat at their desks reading a book or doing their crossword.  On occassion they would actually get up and teach.  I had two teachers who actually fit Melanie's description, only two in those two years. 

Although this was the time that I learned about teachers unions and how they protect those who would have been fired long before.  They don't do much for the good teachers either.  Pay is still low among teachers and the thought of bonuses for the good ones?  Well that's just ghastly according to the teachers unions. 

 The problem with many teachers is that they see teaching as a paycheck, or have become so cynical they choose to "do their time" and nothing more.  Teachers should be paid more, but they should no longer be allowed to hide behind unions.  They should be set to certain standards, and those who don't meet them should be thrown to the wolves, just like they do their students.  . 

So true

My feelings exactly, at the High School level.  Most, certainly not all, teachers expected you to learn from the text book.  If you were not good at that type of comprehension, too bad.  Many students would really benefit from a teacher that breaksdown the text book and expands on it.  I can't imagine teachers have change that much since then.

The family unit has changed a lot over the past several decades and the school system, sadly, does not seem to have adjusted for it.

My Poppy wondered aloud last night how his 8th grade education compared to today's schooling.  He was born in the 1920s.  I told him that as a 1985 high school graduate, I didn't learn too much past 8th grade (other than things I learned outside of school). 

It seemed to me that once you got past the 8th grade, many teachers seemed very uninterested in teaching.

Kay

Dear Kay: Public education's been starved of money

Dear Kay:

As I see it, public education in this country's been starved of money -- including money for teaching.

When public education is starved of cash, that affects the morale of everybody, including teachers.

Additionally, it affects the quality of education, including the quality of teaching.

When I moved to Florida in 1989, I was pretty shocked after I moved here that little kids from various high schools around the community in which I lived came door to door begging for little financial donations of money from people living in our neighborhood to help finance their schools and their programs at schools.

That sort of "introduced" me to how poor public education in this state was.

When I grew up, I had a reasonably decent public educational pre-college system in which I was educated, and it was decent because, in the 1950s and early 1960s, and in the area of New York in which I grew up, and where I went to school, they had a reasonably economically well-heeled population living in or around the school districts, and it was on the basis of this reasonably well-heeled class of people that they were able to get sufficient property  taxes to support the school system in a reasonably decent way.

I never had to buy my own books for high school, for instance, and the teachers where I attended public high school did not have to  reach into their own pockets and buy books for students.

Additionally, the science labs in my high school actually had science laboratory equipment in them, so that we could actually learn something about how scientists did lab experiments.

We got our textbooks from the high school we attended.

Most of the time, too,  they were up-to-date.

For instance, in my world history class in the 10th grade, my American history course in the 11th grade, and my social studies course in the 12th grade, they supplied us with the textbooks, and they were up-to-date textbooks.

We did not have to go door to door asking for donations of money from people, as I found out happened here in Florida.

We did not go to schools in little portable classrooms, but in a reasonably decent set of buildings that were reasonably well-built and reasonably safe and reasonably comfortable.

So far as I'm aware, the teachers teaching us were reasonably decent teachers, and I learned a lot from them.

Furthermore, I don't think they were reasonably decent teachers despite being poorly paid.

They were reasonably decent teachers because they were reasonably decently paid.

But they were reasonably decently paid because the property taxes in the community could support our schools.

Here in Florida, the great majority of the population is very poor or very low-income working class.

To the degree there are property taxes, the very rich in this state have literally been "seceding" from the rest of the state, and from the rest of the country, and they have powerful economic and financial and political lobbies to insure they pay little or no property taxes, and that the rest of us have to pay for what the tiny minority of super-rich don't pay.

Additionally, they have a powerful political lobby to insure that all electoral districts in which various politicians are elected are apportioned in such a way as to favor clout for the rich and the super-rich -- those with great amounts of money -- against the rest of us who have little or none.

Public education in this state suffers.

Additionally, the rich in this state have hit upon the ingenious little scheme of making education private, so that their darling little brats can attend quite decently financed schools which don't have the problems of public education, while the great majority of people who don't have the money send their kids to rotten and lousy schools with little or no resources in those schools.

This has always been the case with many public schools in minority parts of the country, by the way.  If you read some of the books on public education by the great public school teacher and advocate for public schools and racial integration, Jonathan Kozol -- for instance, his books like Amazing Grace, or Savage Inequalities, for instance -- you will get a taste of what so-called "public schools" for black and Latina and Latino kids in the poorest public school districts of America have been like for generations.

But with the economic decline and collapse of American capitalism, the rotting plublic education of black and Latino kids has spread to lower-income white working class schools and neighborhoods as well, because the rich have basically set up an ingenious way of "seceding" from the American union so that they benefit from the profits produced by the working classes, but don't have to pay anything, to speak of, to educate the children of the working classes.

It's a "damned-if-we-do-damned-if-we-don't" set-up for the great majority of us working people, and a "heads-we-win-tails-you-lose" set-up for the rich and the super-rich in both this state of Florida, and in the country at large.

I think the primary problem is not teachers per se.

I think the primary problem is, teachers, like most other people, are human, and so, end up being subject to the same low morale and feelings of not wishing to go on any longer in a profession in which they originally started out idealistically really wanting to help others once they realize how much crap they have to eat.

I knew this guy who used to be a substitute teacher here in the state.  He was a pretty bright guy.  He eventually gave up.  He kept wishing, first of all, that he'd get something economically secure and permanent.  Secondly, he kept wishing he wouldn't be put teaching subjects for which he was not qualified.  Thirdly, he kept wishing he would not be teaching in classes in which there were far, far, far too many students and in which the ratio of teacher to students was so bad.  Nobody can learn and nobody can teach in that kind of situation.  He eventually got out of the profession and did something else.

And that sort of thing is why teachers end up leaving the profession.

Additionally, in this state, there is a vicious, vile, reactionary, right-wing, bipartisan hostility to public education, and again, it is incited and stirred up by the rich and the super-rich, through their various spokesmen and spokeswomen in the media and press and various venues, and they have plenty of venues through which to incite and stir up this kind of vicious and vile hostility to public education.

These super-rich and rich live off profits produced by the working people.

But they starve the public education system so that the students -- sons and daughters -- of working people get starved of educations, and so that the teachers teaching them  get starved of the necessary resources, salaries, and time to actually teach.

Meanwhile, local administrative bureaucracies of well-paid managers and supervisors of education pile more and more and more paperwork on top of public school teachers so they cannot spend time teaching.

The high pay of managers and supervisors compared with what teachers get is so obvious in this state as to help bring into the mentality of teachers this low morale and feeling of, why in the hell should I care?

It doesn't happen immediately.

But it does happen after awhile.

The rich and the super-rich, meanwhile, blame unions, which are not to blame for this situation, and both Democratic and Republican politicians -- all of whom are right-wing on this issue -- chime in.  Hell, you even have Barack Obama appointing as his education secretary a union-buster.

But again, it's not unions that are to blame.

It's the starvation of public education by a rotting, decaying, declining, collapsing capitalistic system, and the rich and super-rich having rigged up the system so they will never hurt, but the vast majority of us will.

That's the real problem, as I see it, Kay.

--Allan

Agreed, Allan

I totally agree! 

No one can be effective when they have such low morale. 

And you are right.  In high school, I went on (twice a year) what we called "tag day".  I was in the marching band and we would pile in the cars of parents, be taken to a neighborhood, and go door to door asking for donations.  In uniform - on very hot days.  A few times it was to replace the old uniforms for the band.  I was in color guard.  We went out and begged for money for our band mates to have nice new uniforms (which were very expensive and very nice to last many years), meanwhile, the color guard (parents that is) BOUGHT OUR OWN uniforms every year.  And if you were in winter guard, you bought a new uniform for that too.  I always wondered if the football players bought there own uniforms and equipment like we did.  Or if they did fund raisers to pay for any trips like us.  I doubt it.

And then I hear from people who are teachers or work in schools that they don't even have PAPER to make copies for handouts unless they purchase it out of their own pocket. 

AND I did have some classes in portable rooms during middle school.  AND I had a teacher in high school who roamed from room to room, where ever there was a classroom and no class for the residing teacher, that period.  Floating teachers with no actual room of their own, pushing a cart with their teaching materials to their next space. 

Then there is all the finger pointing.  Parents blaming teachers for things that are out of their control.  Teachers blaming parents when grandma buys kids expensive clothes or whatever and mom and dad can't afford the school supplies.  School supplies?  How about pencil and paper and maybe a binder to put them in.  But teachers have to pass out this huge list every year because the school doesn't have money to provide glue, colored pencils or whatever.  Shameful!

I just hope I get out of this state before my son starts school here!

Kay

Kay: It's Spreading to all States.

Kay:

It's spreading to all states.

If you read some of Jonathan Kozol's great books on public education, they are not only heart-wrenching, they will make your blood boil to read the stuff he observed and lived with and endured and saw.

It's spread to many schools in this country.

The decline is among all kids, black, brown, yellow, red, white, native-born, Latino, boys, girls, you name it.

Ideally there ought to be billions upon billions of dollars spent on public education.

Teachers should not have to reach into their own pockets to buy their students textbooks.

Textbooks should be up to date.

The interests of the faith-based religious right-wing should be outlawed so that there is a strict separation between public education and religion, and so private religious schools don't get any public financing.  All public financing should be for public schools.

Additionally, again, all private schools should be nationalized, made public, and all resources public so all kids can attend them, all the way through college, with remedial education programs for everybody to compensate and make up for what was lost in lower grades, and it should be from kindergarten through higher education.

All these wealthy private colleges and universities should be nationalized, made public, the boards of trustees abolished, the schools put under the control of workers, students, teachers, professors, operating as councils in a consultative democratic fashion.

All the public schools should be financed to the tune of billions of dollars, and the money should come from expropriating the banks, corporations, industries, and establishing a socialist planned economy.  There's really no other way out, as I see it.

The rich and the super-rich who own everything starve public education and reserve decent education, decent learning, for their own kids, and the rest of the kids can drop dead so far as they're concerned.

There's an indivisible relation between the interests of most kids, the interests of parents, the interests of teachers, the interests of working people as a whole, the interests of society and civilization as a whole, and nothing can be achieved or furthered without pouring money and resources into public education for all.

Kids shouldn't have to pay for their uniforms, their textbooks, their resources, their lab equipment, and their teachers should not have to, either, and they should not have to make a choice between art programs or music programs or science programs or social studies programs or history programs or English language programs or foreign language programs or mathematics programs or vocational and technical education programs or literature programs or humanities programs or band programs or gymnastics and physical education programs.  It is all objectively needed if people are to learn and grow and become all-rounded human beings in the best sense.

When I grew up, we had English, science, math, history, language (foreign language), gymnastics, art, music, shop.  They did do sex discriminatory division so that only girls could take home economics and only boys could take shop.  I think that is a mistake; both are good courses for both sexes.  But other than that, it was typical for us to have a pretty broad choice of subjects, but we had to take from early grades onto or into the 12th grade some math, some science, some English, some history or social studies, some art course, some gym course, some music course.  That was typical.  I am astounded today that kids don't have those choices.  It enrages me.  But I think it has to do with starving public education.

I don't think they should make people choose between sports and learning and band practice or music or art or book clubs.  When I was in the 10th, 11th, and 12th grade, we had this wonderful history teacher.  He was my 10th grade history teacher, but he started a book club for kids who wanted to learn and read significant books.  I remember joining that club.  This was the year after I had graduated from the 10th grade and his history course, but I wanted to join this book club because he monitored it, and the book choices were interesting.  I remember this was the first time I read books on anthropology, for instance, and I specifically remember one of the choices we read, the anthropologist, Dr. Ruth Benedict's book, Patterns of Culture.  I didn't read that for a course.  I read it for this after-hours book club this guy ran for us.  We read other interesting books for that book club.  You didn't have to join, but he specifically asked me if I'd like to, because I did very well in his 10th grade world history course, and I did join after he asked me if I'd like to.  He was very clear I didn't have to, but I wanted to.  I met a lot of bright kids in that club.

But I think a lot of kids are bright who don't necessarily join such things.  They simply don't have the time, because they have to work their butts off.  I remember this one kid in our school.  Our school was mainly white, but he was one of the few black kids in the school, and I got to be friends with him.  He was a very bright kid, but he didn't have the time, and had to work extra hours after school in order to help out his family.  We still used to occasionally hang out and talk, and he was a bright kid.

Ideally, kids should have options, but that means they ought to have schools in which resources are there, and they should have mothers and fathers with options, which means, their mothers and fathers should have decently paying jobs, guaranteed, with real time to have quality time with their kids and their families.  There should not be this stressed-out economic treadmill people are on today.  There has to be a minimum decent level of living for everybody so people can learn.

I don't think education should separate out different kinds of learning, either.  I was in art education, shop education, music education.  I was kind of a screw-up before I finally learned a bit that being a screw-up, I'd go nowhere and learn nothing.  I blew some of my chances and opportunities in music and art and shop education, and also in some math courses, although in lower grades, in 7th grade, for instance, I was a real screw-up.  But later on, I learned a few things.  That, however, was only after I left the church and left organized religion, which had for 3 years pretty much screwed up my head.

Anyway, it's spreading to all states, Kay, because the rich and the super-rich have the entire country, or, rather, the bulk of the working people who make up our country, poor, working class, lower middle classes, by the proverbial cajones, and they're not letting go, and they're sucking us all dry of our money and labor and wealth for themselves.

I think sooner or later this country's going to blow up -- explode in class war.

I see no other way it's going to be resolved.

The rich and the super-rich are bringing that on with their greed.

Anyway, I've gotta go.

Best always,

Allan

 

Eternalrsx, You are my kind of writer. Welcome to our forum.

Eternalsrx, you are my kind of writer. Welcome to our forum. I am sure you and I will agree on countless subjects. Back in l997 when I was writing a monthly column for the Daily Record in Parsippany, N. J., I wrote a column about teachers. I stated that good teachers should get more money and bad ones should be fired. I wrote, "One of my daughters is a teacher in Md. Is she a good teacher? Is she a bad one? I don't know but if she is a bad teacher, she SHOULD BE FIRED!" I mailed a copy of the column to her. She wrote me a note (I refuse to give my daughters and grandchildren my email address. If they want to write to me, they have to use the U. S. Mail.) In the note my daughter informed me that she was a very good teacher but many teachers were not, and she agreed that bad teachers should be fired. She added these words, "Not too many columnists in this world would write a column encouraging the possible firing of one of his own daughters but, then, of course, there sure in hell are not too many columnists, thank God for the children, such as my lovable, but too extremely truthful, like my dad." God bless.

Melanie, I am Afraid You Do Not Arouse My Empathy.

Melanie, I am sorry but you do not arouse my empathy. We have one of our ten American workers who have been laid off and can not find a new job. We have millions of people who have lost their homes. We have millions of people who can not pay their real estate taxes. Your pay comes from real estate taxes. Thousands of teachers in Fla. have lost their jobs. THEIR REALLY IS NO MONEY TO PAY HIGHER SALARIES. You should be thankful you have a job. I am sure if you lost your job, you would be begging for another teaching job instead of asking for more money. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD. God bless.

I Don't write to be Loved By All. I write to Be Loved By the---

I don't write to be loved by all. I write to be loved by the people who want to know the TRUTH about the subject. The TRUTH often makes readers hate the writers who write the TRUTH as he/she writes it. The truth is that thousands of tenured teachers in Fla. will be fired before this recession is over. Foreclosures will not peak until sometime in 20l0. As more and more home owners lose jobs and their homes, many of them will have two choices. l. Live with loved ones. 2. Live in the woods. Most tenured teachers know nothing about the REAL WORLD. The money to pay teachers comes from real estate taxes. As counties collect less and less real estate taxes, they will have no choice but to fire more tenured teachers. What will these fired teachers do to make a living? Where will they find employment that pays them the same kind of money as they are making now? When former teachers find themselves living in with loved ones or in the woods, THE TRUTH IS THEY GLADLY WOULD LOVE TO BE CALLED BACK TO WORK AT A REDUCED SALARY. I repeat. I do not write to be loved by all. Teachers who love the truth will love me. As for the majority of teachers who do not want to know about the TRUTH AND THE REAL WORLD, well, I don't give a fiddler's frown if they love me or not. God bless.

I was an owner of a catalog house and a member of-

I was the owner of mail order catalog house and a member of a Kiwanis club in N. J. for many years. Kiwanis is a club consisting of, at that time I was a member, MALE business owners, principals and supt. of schools, etc. Women sued Kiwanis clubs, and rightfully so, and won the right to become Kiwanians. Kiwanians meet once a week for dinner together. I often had a drink at the restaurant bar with two supt. of schools before our meeting. Every year more and more houses were being built in the upper middle class and wealthy towns and cities of our N. J. area. Connie Francis, Gordon Liddy, etc. were neighbors. Every year more and more millions were being raised in property taxes by new homeowners in our towns, cities and these millions were offered to our supt. of schools, and NOT ONCE DID THEY EVER REJECT ONE PENNY. They added entirely new departments such as guidance departments where they had a dozen or more guidance counselors, secretaries, etc. Now these profligate supt. of schools are lamenting the budget cuts because of millions of less real estate taxes being paid because of loss of jobs and homes. What did all we business owners think of these supt. of schools? We agreed that these supt. of schools could not last one year in the savage business world we survived in. God bless.